tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post7751933129620130329..comments2023-10-30T06:47:03.166-04:00Comments on An Unofficial Remember Me Site: Countdown to DVD Release - Favorite Quoteskathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10634301554565677124noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-14403515065245915332010-05-19T01:54:35.842-04:002010-05-19T01:54:35.842-04:00Jesse-I think that Jenny and Rob worked mostly on ...Jesse-I think that Jenny and Rob worked mostly on Rob's dialogue. I don't think for a minute that he and Jenny would have taken lines and given them to him. I think they streamlined the story. <br /><br />Rum - With Allen (and Jenny) being from NYC, I think they were very sensitive to things like that and didn't want to dwell on it. The point was made with the brief shot of the diary in the rubble.<br /><br />The original script (which was passed around the internet like candy) is all Will's. And Jenny didn't add/change enough of the shooting script is qualify for a screenwriter credit. <br /><br />I think if the excerpt from the script is in quotes and if it is sourced with title Memoirs and with Will's name, it should be OK. I can ask Will via twitter DM if that is OK if we are more comfortable with that.kathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10634301554565677124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-45302376656283815692010-05-17T18:40:11.031-04:002010-05-17T18:40:11.031-04:00@Kat - But how to source the script properly? You&...@Kat - But how to source the script properly? You're more experienced than me in this. I would like to talk about it, quote some parts of it, but someone sent it to me and she herself got it somewhere on the Internet from someone else - and so on. It's not supposed to have been published. Maybe asking permission from Will Fetters? He has a twitter account (but I haven't). And yet it would be so interesting to talk about it, about all the major changes (for example Michael dying in the first 1993 WTC and not committing suicide), or the way the ending was visually described. It was really too much for me - the purple elephant set close to the picture of Tyler on the wall with all the other missing persons' pics - and above all, Tyler calling Janine to tell her that there was some plane flying really low - oh dear. If they had kept that line, I'm sure they would have massacred the movie 10 times more. So I can only be glad they changed all that. But I'm really interested in all the differences. I remember there was a rewriting session, when Rob and the others met Jenny Lumet, and then there's Jenny's Details interview with Rob where she recalls seeing Rob scribbling away at the script, making his own revisions. So I wonder how we could set this up and talk about the script without infringing on anybody's rights. Any ideas?WhyIstheRumAlwaysGonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11171460182401203000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-88685580491431848182010-05-17T17:06:17.530-04:002010-05-17T17:06:17.530-04:00I love how this movie shows the different levels o...I love how this movie shows the different levels of grief and how it affects everybody differently. This scene was especially well acted. They are all so good in this movie. There are so many complex emotions going on, but they pulled it off in a very believable way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-18811775144419190112010-05-17T12:53:24.759-04:002010-05-17T12:53:24.759-04:00Wow, interesting what everyone is saying about Les...Wow, interesting what everyone is saying about Les. I didn't notice him much at all, except when he makes that phone call after the haircutting incident. And double wow, if that was originally Les' line.<br />Did our hero, Robert, help change that script to make himself even more at the centre of things? He and Jenny? Me no likey.jessegirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06296261235960977428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-52277640850718041722010-05-17T12:13:51.831-04:002010-05-17T12:13:51.831-04:00Rum,
I would assume that the original script is co...Rum,<br />I would assume that the original script is copywrited, I don't know why it would not be.<br /><br />I think though, if it is sourced properly, it would be OK to write about it. If not, someone will let me know.<br /><br />What do we want to talk about?kathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10634301554565677124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-8767037927411489602010-05-17T11:53:43.152-04:002010-05-17T11:53:43.152-04:00And a tiny bit info: In Will's original script...And a tiny bit info: In Will's original script, this line was Les's. :)kathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10634301554565677124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-70264992180255841432010-05-16T23:42:49.363-04:002010-05-16T23:42:49.363-04:00InstantKarmaGirl,
I loved Les also and it was obvi...InstantKarmaGirl,<br />I loved Les also and it was obvious he loved his wife and her children. Caroline had a beautiful room and Tyler felt very comfortable visiting his mother in their home as well as bringing his friend Aidan and Ally over to their house. Tyler liked and respected Les and it was obvious that Les liked Tyler. He was the one who loved his step-children and wife and was there for them through all their pain. He was great.Jennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-82839394455299910792010-05-16T23:32:44.033-04:002010-05-16T23:32:44.033-04:00Jessiegirl, your right the cocks did spar and it w...Jessiegirl, your right the cocks did spar and it was easier than showing tenderness but don’t you think that Charles would of preferred to of been the one to of found Michael instead of Tyler perhaps sheltering his younger son from this devastating discovery? He is the one who cared for his family and successfully gave them what he could materialistically as well as emotionally till Michael‘s death.<br /><br />The conflict between father and son is more than him not paying attention to Caroline. Charles is in pain as the rest of the family is but he can’t express it so instead of reaching out and asking how they are going to deal with this tragedy he just goes through the motions of either sparring with Tyler and demanding his sugar so he can have his coffee and leave. He doesn’t want to deal with the situation but knows he has to because he can’t let the façade of his strength collapse because his family is as broken as he is.Jennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-16272246752797089032010-05-16T22:58:44.951-04:002010-05-16T22:58:44.951-04:00I LOVE Les. Seriously. Probably my favorite char...I LOVE Les. Seriously. Probably my favorite character of the film.<br /><br />At the end, when Diane holds onto Charles' arm, he takes a step back. WOW.<br /><br />LOVE LES! LOVE him, LOVE!InstantKarmaGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16167278561146122904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-72307728488793313952010-05-16T22:13:11.529-04:002010-05-16T22:13:11.529-04:00Jen, I think the whole family was so fragile, each...Jen, I think the whole family was so fragile, each in his or her own way, that interacting with each other was really difficult, especially on that anniversary date. So the cocks, as I've dubbed them, sparred--'cause it's easier than showing tenderness. The young daughter took her cue from everyone else and just answered questions without initiating. The mother tried so hard, as you said, to make it work,being the only one who mentioned Michael's name. And Les, the step family member, kept his mouth shut.jessegirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06296261235960977428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-64937548441097440482010-05-16T21:47:45.110-04:002010-05-16T21:47:45.110-04:00This scene made me just want to squirm and leave i...This scene made me just want to squirm and leave it was like looking into the souls of people who are dealing with the pain and grief of their lost son and brother and never really talked about it. The interaction between Tyler and Caroline was sweet and as his little sister, she told him immediately that he smelled like beer and Listerine. <br /><br />Unfortunately the first words out of Charles mouth was you should of worn a tie which of course was talking down to Tyler as though he was a child instead of an adult and really it didn’t need to of been said…Tyler was there and that was all that mattered.<br /><br />The scene at the diner was tense Tyler was making over Caroline and listening to her spill on her latest artistic story; Diane was happy they were still honoring Michael and mentions it. Charles of course interrupts Caroline and wants the sugar…Tyler gets angry and insists that Charles recall what his daughter was talking about…Charles turns to Caroline and asks if she feels slighted…Of course the child isn’t going to say a word. Tyler says he is leaving and of course his mother is completely crushed as he gets up asks Caroline if she needs a ride somewhere. she says no and he leaves.<br /><br />I feel that Charles by continuing to ask for the sugar after Tyler leaves was very telling. I got the feeling he didn’t want to be there and he didn’t want to have any small talk with his ex-wife or his children. I think he just wanted to drink his coffee and consider the fact he had done his duty, he was present and he was ready to leave. I think him being at the Memorial Service was extremely hard for him as it was for the rest of the family.<br /><br />I felt for Diane she was trying so hard to keep her son’s memory alive and they were all dealing with their own points of grief but not thinking of hers. I found it interesting that know one asked, “How are you Mom or how are you doing?” I was glad she had Les who dutifully went with her to the Memorial Service and just listened I think he was great watching all of this and keeping his mouth shut and I am sure he was heartsick for his wife.Jennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-30887970430528781002010-05-16T13:27:27.228-04:002010-05-16T13:27:27.228-04:00Jessegirl, Karma - I've just sent you the scri...Jessegirl, Karma - I've just sent you the script ;))<br />It's the original one by Will Fetters, before it was rewritten.WhyIstheRumAlwaysGonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11171460182401203000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-37132900850179355962010-05-16T12:38:14.378-04:002010-05-16T12:38:14.378-04:00Kat...thanks for explaining about the script. I gu...Kat...thanks for explaining about the script. I guess I, too, am now interested in reading it. I wonder which version though, seeing as Jenny Lumet made a bunch of changes?<br /><br />Karma...I adore your comments and I would be bored to tears if everyone agreed with me all the time. When I say 'called me on it' I mean you forced me to look at my comments and my POV again and that's always a good thing. xo<br /><br />Rum...I, too, will request that script. <br /><br />And Lexi, wherever you are, it's all good.jessegirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06296261235960977428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-34829171597478731832010-05-16T11:59:02.431-04:002010-05-16T11:59:02.431-04:00Rum - Bummer, didn't get it, would you be able...Rum - Bummer, didn't get it, would you be able to send it to instantkarmagirl@gmail.com? Sorry for the trouble.InstantKarmaGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16167278561146122904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-37842569034848081212010-05-16T09:52:16.525-04:002010-05-16T09:52:16.525-04:00Karma - I've just sent it to the email adress ...Karma - I've just sent it to the email adress I found on your livejournal blog.WhyIstheRumAlwaysGonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11171460182401203000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-48302458749116179532010-05-16T09:17:14.650-04:002010-05-16T09:17:14.650-04:00@Rum, yes, that is perfectly fine, thx@Rum, yes, that is perfectly fine, thxInstantKarmaGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16167278561146122904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-71639348519303202942010-05-16T09:02:33.302-04:002010-05-16T09:02:33.302-04:00@karma - is it OK if I send you the script to the ...@karma - is it OK if I send you the script to the email address displayed on your blog?WhyIstheRumAlwaysGonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11171460182401203000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-29037107923943580162010-05-16T06:37:49.746-04:002010-05-16T06:37:49.746-04:00@Rum
Yes, please, how do I drop you a line?
@jess...@Rum<br />Yes, please, how do I drop you a line?<br /><br />@jesse<br />I hope you don't think that I'm calling you on your thoughts. I'm just trying to express my pov, not to detract from yours. As I've said before our worlds are our own and everyone's entitled to their own version of it (their own pov and opinions).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-25943584480519797562010-05-16T05:48:24.494-04:002010-05-16T05:48:24.494-04:00@jessegirl and anyone interested here - if you wan...@jessegirl and anyone interested here - if you want the original script, I have it - just drop me a line and I will email it to you. It's very interesting to read. I wonder if it's copyrighted or not and if it's allowed to show parts of it or quote from it, that could be an interesting post to do - how scripts evolve and are rewritten...WhyIstheRumAlwaysGonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11171460182401203000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-71235046514814683272010-05-16T04:07:31.706-04:002010-05-16T04:07:31.706-04:00Diane trys so hard to the peace. She wants so badl...Diane trys so hard to the peace. She wants so badly for everyone to be happy, or at least not angry. Tyler is angry enough for all. And in his defense, I would be a tough day for him bringing all those emotions more intensly - on the anniversery of his brother's death.<br /><br />In defense of Will - Diane and Les were much more fully developed in the original script - alot more interaction with Tyler. And Diane was much stronger and was dealing much better with Michael's death.<br /><br />The film dealt more with his relationship with his father to show the progression of understanding and forgiveness. I don't think Tyler was upset with his mother - Charles left them all.kathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10634301554565677124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-31801799338716162402010-05-15T22:54:31.910-04:002010-05-15T22:54:31.910-04:00karma...I can always count on you to call me on a ...karma...I can always count on you to call me on a rant. thx.<br />First and foremost--getting back to one of my initial reactions to this remarkable work of art--we follow Tyler's pain, his journey, his choices and the way he deals with them. Truly it is his story. I love the guy and was hit hard by the end. However, I stand by my observations about Diane. It would be interesting to me to ask Will, and Jenny Lumet, who, apparently, had a lot to say about the script, how all that came about.jessegirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06296261235960977428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-19484517601043715692010-05-15T19:38:52.917-04:002010-05-15T19:38:52.917-04:00@jesse
I still disagree. The story is not about D...@jesse<br />I still disagree. The story is not about Diane, just as it's not about Aiden and his back story. <br /><br />I think it's in the small moments of the film that we see Diane's strength and her children's need and love for her. Caroline calls her, not Tyler when her hair is ruined. Caroline goes home with her, not Tyler when he throws his tantrum. Caroline speaks affectionately of her mother throughout the film and for me, it's plain to see that apart from Caroline, there is NO ONE from his family that Tyler can be around without being reminded of his dead brother.<br /><br />I don't think he's being disrespectful, I think he's being a person in pain. I don't spend time with my family not because I don't respect them, but because they represent a different time in my life, something thing I can never go back to, even if I wanted to. I feel this is the same for Tyler.<br /><br />We never see ANY of his family in his "new" space. No one is in his apartment. No one is in his work or school. Those are his. He has created something different and apart for a reason.<br /><br />How do we know that he doesn't draw what strength he DOES have from his mother? But he's really ill-equipt to be around her and her pain. He is not healthy enough to deal with anything else. I think he's protecting himself and I cannot fault him for that.<br /><br />I agree about the women in the entertainment industry, but I am satisfied with how this story was written, directed and portrayed as its intent wasn't to focus on women and their intr=eractions, but meant to reveal a little about men.<br /><br />Tyler has an inability to connect with women, as evidenced by the beginning of the film until he is forced to meet and interact with Ally. This, to me, suggests that he has a deeply rooted issue...possibly he blames his mother for Michael's choice, but cannot be outwardly as angry towards her as he is with his father because of her perceived fragility.<br /><br />Also, yeah, Rob's attractive, but I like Tyler as a character because he represents many young men that I have known and loved. And let's face it, we're all selfish because we are the masters of our universe. If I don't exist, neither does my world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-24013371318590956162010-05-15T19:01:37.461-04:002010-05-15T19:01:37.461-04:00Lexi...good to hear your voice.
I actually do love...Lexi...good to hear your voice.<br />I actually do love Tyler, a lot, and have commented on other threads on this site and on numerous other sites. If we didn't love him the end would not hit us as it does and let me assure you, Tyler's death hit me hard, very hard. <br /><br />Posts like this sometimes give the wrong or incomplete impression of the one commenting, unless you 'know' the one commenting from other things they've written that you've seen. In this instance I am commenting only on this one particular aspect of Tyler and of Will's story. It would be silly to point you to my many other comments but let me assure you, Tyler has no greater advocate and voice than mine. <br /><br />I've become a bit of a regular in these places, lauding the film, Robert's bravura performance and the character of Tyler, probably to the annoyance of some. <br /><br />Anyway, these posts do not exist in a vaccuum, by themselves. That's something to remember.jessegirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06296261235960977428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-84905577807221849612010-05-15T18:41:12.309-04:002010-05-15T18:41:12.309-04:00jessegirl,
i completely respect you points of vi...jessegirl, <br /><br />i completely respect you points of view, actually i kind of good to see that this film has spark so many discussions, i think that is what is meant to do...<br /><br />i do believe that Tyler is selfish and self-centered and you ask why we come to love him at the end? i think it's because he is human, he is not a hero and the movie is not trying to make him look like a hero, he's flawed and at the end i felt sad because even he wasn't really changed, i wanted him to keep learning and to live. I like the movie cuz it reflected kind of what families really go through when you lose someone, they become different, dealing with pain in different ways, mine dealt with it in so many ways and we are still broken because of itLexi C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16713533000351980657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6646388995593578035.post-62149633104171127872010-05-15T18:00:01.471-04:002010-05-15T18:00:01.471-04:00Thanks Rum, but I only shared for a reason.
I sh...Thanks Rum, but I only shared for a reason. <br /><br />I shared only to show that Tyler's way of relating to his mother was an option, a poor option, one which harmed his mother. Do not think for a moment that she isn't hurt, terribly hurt, by him pulling away all the time. And when he dies, she might be the only one he hasn't changed for the better.<br /><br />Tyler, when he dies, has done remarkable things--vis a vis the Gandhi quote--for his Dad, for Caroline, for Ally and for Aiden. But his mother, no, and that's an unqualified, 'no'.<br /><br />If I really think about it, this is the unfinished part of his life, where he failed. And to say that his mother would love him no matter what misses my point. She NEEDS to have physical and emotional reminders that he loves her no matter what, that she matters. (I'm sure she needed that from Charles but didn't get it. He failed her. For whatever reason.) She also needs physical contact with Tyler to verify his presence in her world. Oh we see the grandstanding Charles making his voice heard, making sure Tyler knew his pain: 'what's in my heart', etc., but wouldn't Diane, at some point, beg or confront Tyler also, perhaps at that exact moment he pulled away to quote #38?<br />If she wouldn't confront him in some way, sometime, she really would be a nonentity. But she is a social worker, invested in everyone's feelings and well-being. What is she, this wimp who sacrifices her own emotional well-being and serves everyone else's? I don't think so. <br />Because Tyler and Caroline have not only Charles' DNA, they have Diane's. What of her is inside them?<br /><br />None of our quotes can explore this because her words are too few to address it.jessegirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06296261235960977428noreply@blogger.com