Friday, June 11, 2010

Countdown to DVD Release - Favorite Quotes

Quote #11



"Hey doll face your dad trampled all over my civil liberties, wanna make out?"
~Tyler
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LTavares2011 said...

"Hey doll face your dad trampled all over my civil liberties, wanna make out?"
~Tyler

Tyler, Aidan and the vengeance plan. Tyler referring to Ally as "doll face" is very funny, so man pretending he is not interested in the girl. Really, she is drawing his attention since a long ago and although he is not even a little interested in the plan of Aidan, he decides to approach of Ally, even so, because he has a new reason to get to know her better :curiosity by the fact that she is the daughter of Craig.
Never crossed my mind that Tyler accepted the plan of Aidan in any moment, what I think is that Tyler could not imagine he would know an amazing girl like Ally, he thought she would be one on your list but he fell in love with her and when Sgt Craig discovers who he is, Tyler feels bad and accepts all the anger of Neil and Ally too. He thinks he deserves this punishment because Tyler is very hard with himself. It seems to me he thinks he doesn`t deserve to be happy.
Rob and Tate, my dynamic duo: they are different and so good in his differences. Two great actors!!

June 11, 2010 at 6:47 PM
InstantKarmaGirl said...

I have nothing interesting to say, but I freakin' love this line and the way he says it.

June 11, 2010 at 7:15 PM
jessegirl said...

LTavares...Are you saying that you thought Tyler had been interested in Ally before this: ‘she is drawing his attention since a long ago’? He recognizes her from the poli.si. class, but when the camera showed him in class, Tyler was practically falling asleep. I don’t think we have any indication that he was interested in her before.
It turns out that Tyler’s opening gambit with Ally is way more inventive and convoluted than the funny quote from today. That whole story about the sociological survey, complete with foam finger, no one here falling into the specified demographic except Ally, and the line about getting together to see if their conversation might be interesting, all that is so elaborate. And he gets her at the end of it. I like it that he refers to Aiden as an a**aholic, as if Ally and Tyler are a team, already a couple seeing some things in the same way. But of course if Ally had seen the two guys talking beforehand, and then saw Aiden’s ‘subtle’ spying from behind his textbook, she would be suspicious that they were up to no good and Tyler, the little devil, deflects that by enlisting Ally as an ally—hah—so she will be on his side, so to speak, thereby placing himself outside of Aiden’s plan, in a playful manner.

June 11, 2010 at 7:24 PM
jessegirl said...

Okay, I just thought of something brilliant. Ally's name? I wonder if Will had a reason for it. Because it now occurs to me that Ally is an ally to so many in the movie: to Caroline when they talk in Caroline’s bedroom; to the whole family when she comes to support them after the hair-cutting incident; to Aiden by listening to his plea to forgive Tyler; to Charles at the restaurant when she tries to transmute Tyler’s aggression; to the family when she goes to Caroline’s art show. Ally is, of course, always her father’s ally as it has been the two of them against the world for a long time already.
Yes, she is independent, is argumentative and sticks up for herself when needed.
But she is the peace keeper, and folds neatly into the family. I think, if she had married Tyler, she would have been able to smooth over other disputes between members of the Hawkins family and would have gotten them to see each other differently. But, of course, that didn’t have a chance to blossom when Tyler died.
I’m guessing the Hawkins were happy that Tyler finally had a girlfriend. He’d obviously not taken anyone else home to meet the family. It would signal a change in him. That he was engaging in life a bit more. I imagine his parents wouldn’t worry as much because having a girlfriend at that age is a normal thing, and if you’re kid is normal, you don’t worry.

Notice though that she wasn’t at his grave at the end, with the family. I think that would be an interesting discussion. Why not? What happens when your boyfriend dies? Do you stay in touch with his family?

June 11, 2010 at 7:45 PM
LTavares2011 said...

@jessegirl

"LTavares...Are you saying that you thought Tyler had been interested in Ally before this: ‘she is drawing his attention since a long ago’?"

Yes, I am. I thought and I still think so. She called his attention at that moment, during the class. I think that is why that scene is in the film.

June 11, 2010 at 8:14 PM
WhyIstheRumAlwaysGone said...

I liked this scene, both of them look all of sudden like naughty scheming schooboys of twelve and not like young adults. I like it thta Tyler deliberately uses cliché phrases like "dollface" or "wanna make out with me", and Aidan telling him he's a moron. But it's mainly the almost childish behaviour of these two guys which really got me. Don't men ever grow up?
I also think like LTavares that Tyler had noticed Ally in their global politics class, but it's only a fleeting glimpse, he quickly relapses in his bored-looking, apathetic stance. But he had indeed noticed.
Out of topic but answering you jessegirl - I too have always wondered why Ally wasn't at the grave in the final scene. What indeed happens to your ties with the family when your boyfriend dies?
From the filmmaker's POV, I think maybe it would have been too much, visually too overwhelming t show her at the grave too. Showing the grave is already more than enough (I remember some viewers complained it was too much, that yes, thank you, they had perfectly understood what had happened and they thought the scene was unnecessary).

June 12, 2010 at 9:38 AM
jessegirl said...

Well, LTavares and Rum, I think Tyler noticed Ally in the class but not more than that. It may have registered with him that she was smart, but he didn’t show any sexual interest, IMO. I think that scene was there to reveal that, yes, they were in close physical proximity in a class long before Aiden’s game, but also that even that wasn’t enough to bring them together.

Now I had a reason for asking about Ally’s absence from Tyler’s grave site. My son’s girlfriend—they were supposedly really in love—pretty much stopped communication with us after he died, except for the formalities, the funeral and one Xmas gathering where a group of his other friends visited us. I don’t blame her at all; it was difficult for all of us. She had to go on with her life and, at some point, marry, which she did. We could not do so, not the way a 20 yr. old needs to grab life, no matter how much she loved him.
And I know, cinematically, why the filmmakers didn’t have her in that scene. It showed Tyler’s family, and Aiden wasn’t there either. Each of the principals had a little part in the final montage: Aiden’s was in class, Ally’s was on the subway. The reason for having them there was important for their individual story arcs. But I think the purpose of showing Tyler’s family all there at his grave, and Michael’s, was to show their togetherness, linking arms, united. And, stylistically, to bookend them gathering at Michael’s grave at the beginning. We’ve discussed the bookend device before, which is used extensively in this film.

June 12, 2010 at 9:17 PM
kat said...

Jesse , I agree that the reason that Ally didn't appear in the last gravesite scene was because it was mirroring the grave side scene at the beginning. The family here ends where they began the film, at the cemetary. Though different becasue now Charles is no longer isolated but now part of the family.

June 12, 2010 at 9:57 PM
WhyIstheRumAlwaysGone said...

Yes kat, jessegirl, I agree about the bookend device they've used for the two grave side scenes, they needed that to show how each character completed his or arc, and how the family was now knitted closer by Tyler's loss.
Oh dear, I don't know about you, but I can't take sad RM scenes any more just now - I'm hoping for some really funny scene soon! Thankfully someone promised me to write soon something about the spaghetti scene for my blog. :))

June 13, 2010 at 2:41 AM

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